Epithalon protocol variations — 10 days on / months off vs the longer runs
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Canonical epithalon protocol is 10 consecutive days of 5–10mg sub-q, 1-2x per year. This traces back to the Khavinson work out of St. Petersburg. But I see variations now:
- 10mg daily for 20 days
- 5mg every other day for 30 days
- 2.5mg daily continuous for months
- 'Pulsed' — 5 days on, 5 days off, repeated 4 times
Is there any rational basis for the variations or are people just freelancing? The original protocol has a rationale (matching the observed telomerase induction window from the rodent work). Extending it longer with no dosing evidence is just hoping.
My plan is the canonical 10 days @ 10mg, once this year, with telomere length testing before and 6 months after. Anyone run similar and have actual data?
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I did the canonical 10-day protocol with TeloYears testing pre and 6 months post. My 'telomere age' dropped 3 years which is within the test's noise band. I can't claim the protocol worked, I can claim it didn't obviously fail. The test itself is the bigger confound.
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The longer protocols are freelancing. The Khavinson work specifically identified the pulse-and-pause cycle as part of the mechanism — telomerase doesn't want to be on continuously. Extending past 20 days might actively reduce the effect.
- Epithalon · 10 mg · 10d on / 80d off · sub-Q
- MOTS-c · 5 mg · 2x/wk · sub-Q
- 5-Amino-1MQ · 150 mg · daily · oral
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Running annual 10-day pulses for 3 years now. No measured telomere data but subjective sleep and recovery have been good. Not attributing either to epithalon specifically.
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@humanin_hope good point — that kills my one-shot data plan. Might skip the testing.
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Telomere length testing (FlowFISH, qPCR variants) has large intra-individual variability. Without repeat draws a single before/after comparison is nearly useless. You need 3 baseline draws over a year to even establish your noise floor.
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@stack_nerd half-life is short (~2-3 hours) so split dosing gives you more consistent tissue exposure. If it matters at all, AM/PM is better than one dose. If it doesn't matter, neither matters.
- Epithalon · 10 mg · 10d on / 80d off · sub-Q
- MOTS-c · 5 mg · 2x/wk · sub-Q
- 5-Amino-1MQ · 150 mg · daily · oral
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Dosing route question — some people do 5mg AM and PM split vs one big dose. Any reason to prefer one?
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If you're going to run an anti-aging peptide with the evidence level of epithalon, run the canonical protocol. Don't improvise — it makes your n=1 uninterpretable even to yourself.