Sleep stack — MOTS-c + epitalon + pre-bed GH sec, real or overkill

Run epitalon weeks 5-6 as planned, re-measure week 6-7. If deep/REM go up further or HRV climbs, attribute to epi. If flat, the GH sec is doing the work.

Week 4 gains are entirely the CJC/Ipa window. Epitalon wasn't started, MOTS-c systemic sleep effect is marginal. The deep sleep bump from Ipa pre-bed is the best-known sleep pharmacology in the stack.

MOTS-c's sleep effect in my data is modest and slow — 4+ weeks before any subjective shift. At week 4 you wouldn't expect much from MOTS-c alone.

GH sec pre-bed + sleep metrics is well-established. Epitalon sleep effect is supported by Russian literature but not well-replicated elsewhere. MOTS-c sleep is speculative. Your attribution order should follow the evidence weight.

Good. Will hold the CJC/Ipa doses constant and let the epitalon block isolate. Will report week 6 vs week 4.

You're doing this the right way. Isolate the variable (epi) by running it in a window and comparing. Most people would add everything at once and never learn what's doing what.

NAD+ 100mg Sub-Q 2hr pre-bed is another sleep-active compound I'd rotate in eventually. Deep sleep bumps in my data. Consider for a subsequent cycle.

The mitochondrial class (MOTS-c, humanin, NAD+) collectively seems to shift sleep architecture over months not weeks. Sleep is one of the downstream markers that moves last, in my experience.

Week 6 update for anyone following: deep 87min (up 3 from week 4), REM 118 (up 6), HRV 53 (up 2). Epitalon block is contributing but small relative to the CJC/Ipa baseline. Solid addition, not transformative.

CJC/Ipa pre-bed is gonna be the driver here, that's just known. The epi and MOTS-c are probably doing something but its gonna take months to really see the signal. You're running it right tho, at least you'll know what the GH secretagogue baseline is doing.

honestly the thing that gets me is how much of sleep quality is just sleep consistency and room temp, like i ran the exact same stack for like 6 weeks and didnt move the needle until i got blackout curtains and dropped the room to 62F, then suddenly my REM jumped stupid high. not saying your compounds aren't doing anything but id be way more curious about your sleep environment variables before assuming MOTS-c is the magic. that said the CJC/Ipa combo does seem to be the floor everyone agrees on, everything else is just fine tuning on top of that