Sleep stack — MOTS-c + epitalon + pre-bed GH sec, real or overkill
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Running this for 8 weeks to see if I can push sleep metrics. Stack:
- MOTS-c 10mg weekly Sub-Q (started week 1)
- Epitalon 10mg daily for 10 days (weeks 5-6)
- CJC no-DAC 100 + Ipa 150 pre-bed (weeks 1-8)
Baseline Oura: deep 68min avg, REM 94min, HRV 42. Week 4 Oura: deep 84min, REM 112min, HRV 51.
Is the improvement from the GH sec alone, the epitalon (though it hadn't started yet), the MOTS-c systemic effect, or placebo? Trying to pull this apart.
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Run epitalon weeks 5-6 as planned, re-measure week 6-7. If deep/REM go up further or HRV climbs, attribute to epi. If flat, the GH sec is doing the work.
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GH sec pre-bed + sleep metrics is well-established. Epitalon sleep effect is supported by Russian literature but not well-replicated elsewhere. MOTS-c sleep is speculative. Your attribution order should follow the evidence weight.
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You're doing this the right way. Isolate the variable (epi) by running it in a window and comparing. Most people would add everything at once and never learn what's doing what.
- BPC-157 · 500 mcg · 2x/day · sub-Q
- GHK-Cu · 2 mg · nightly topical · topical
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NAD+ 100mg Sub-Q 2hr pre-bed is another sleep-active compound I'd rotate in eventually. Deep sleep bumps in my data. Consider for a subsequent cycle.
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The mitochondrial class (MOTS-c, humanin, NAD+) collectively seems to shift sleep architecture over months not weeks. Sleep is one of the downstream markers that moves last, in my experience.