Lean mass preservation on tirze — it's more aggressive than sema, is protein enough?
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Tirze's weight loss rate at higher doses is significantly faster than sema for many people. That raises the lean mass preservation stakes. If I lose 3lb/wk for 4 months, I'm pulling lean mass faster than sema at 2.4 doing 1.5lb/wk over the same period.
Are people running higher protein (1.2g/lb?) on tirze specifically, or is the sema playbook (1g/lb, lift 3x/wk) still sufficient?
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Same protein target (1g/lb goal weight). The lever that should change is training volume, not protein. Faster weight loss = harder recovery = reduce total sets, not increase them. But absolutely maintain the protein floor. Protein need is dose-of-deficit, not dose-of-drug.
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@nopain_noreign this is the correct answer. 'Eat more protein' is a floor, but the ceiling on lean preservation is controlled by deficit size. You cannot out-protein a 1500 kcal deficit.
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Cap rate of loss to manage lean preservation. If you're dropping >1.5% bw/week sustained, your body is going to take some of that from muscle regardless of protein. Slow the drug or raise calories until you're back under 1%. That's the real protection, not more scoops of whey.
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Pulled my serial DEXA data — LBM loss scales with weekly rate of total loss much more than with absolute protein intake (everyone I'm comparing was 0.9g+ per lb goal). People losing 2lb+/wk on tirze lost 22-30% of that as lean. People losing 1lb/wk lost 10-15% as lean. Rate is the lever.
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Creatine 5g, protein 0.9g/lb goal weight, resistance train 2-3x/wk, cap loss at 1% bw/week. That's the non-negotiable protocol on any GLP-1. Everything else is optimization.
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Add: don't drop training weight. Most people on fast loss drop their working sets by 20-30% because they 'feel weak.' If you can still rep the same weight, rep it — preserving strength preserves neurological drive and protects against muscle atrophy even when calories are tight.
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@wanderlite 2.5lb/wk, ~10lb/mo. That's the upper bound you want. Above that and lean mass loss accelerates. Below that for most people is sustainable.